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PT 658 - A Fully Restored Operational WWII PT Boat

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Some video I took of PT 658, a fully restored and operational World War Two PT Boat in September 2011. For WW2 buffs, this is a true treasure. For more information, please visit http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/ Edit note: I have edited this to remove the claim of "the only" operational PT Boat as another is ready for launching. Read about PT 305 at http://www.history.com/news/kickstarter-campaign-begins-to-return-pt-305-to-water
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Destraex Destraex (5 days ago)
Why is this not in a movie? Or is it? P.S. I did wonder about the speed and hope to see a video of it put through it's paces at some point.
Foreseeable1 (5 days ago)
PT 305 has been fully restored as well.
Lew Waters (5 days ago)
PT 305 is acknowledged in the very beginning of the video. At the time this was taped, back in 2011, it was then the only fully operational PT.
G Howard (29 days ago)
In of all places, extreme liberal Oregon
Range Man (1 month ago)
At least your people know how to make a video... that 305 video was pathetic.
Lew Waters (30 days ago)
Thanks, I really enjoyed touring the boat.
Arc Light (1 month ago)
Needs two hands dual wielding her cutlasses on the bow.
Patrick McCrann (1 month ago)
How about the two boats at the National PT Boat Museum in Fall River Massachusetts. It is part of Battleship Cove. Anyone?
Deaf Smith (1 month ago)
Talk about armed to the teeth!! 4 .50 cal, 2 20mm, a 37mm and a 40mm plus 4 aircraft torpedoes. That ought to do it!
Rip Ghyll (1 month ago)
The whole video and view of the boat is spoilt by the idiot sheltering under a blue and white umbrella ! - was it really necessary to have an umbrella up whilst travelling on a PT Boat - what a wimp !
Casey Limbert (1 month ago)
They ever let that boat off the dock and out into the channel so she can stretch her legs? Keep the engines honest? If not, that's depressing.
Lew Waters (1 month ago)
Once again I'll state, not only is there a no wake law in effect there, fuel was at a premium when this was taken.
shinomoritaka (1 month ago)
これがPT小鬼群のモデルとなったPTボートか…。 ほんとちっちゃいんだな
Lew Waters (1 month ago)
それは普通の大きさのヒギンズPTボートですが、戦時中に戦闘行動を見たのは遅すぎたのです。 ボートの歴史の詳細はhttp://www.savetheptboatinc.com/history.htmで読むことができます
Peter Chatman (2 months ago)
That must be a monster cam driving that thing.  Its great to see a Mchales Navy Boat actually working (I'm 60YO and Mchale and Bingington still excite my memories).  Sorry to those who do not go back as many years as me watching TV shows in my young days LOL.
Dave (2 months ago)
Was that a pt boat or a pussy wagon. Keep driving it like that and she'll sink herself out of imbaresment.
marion cobaretti (2 months ago)
give me the wheel , ill have 90 yr old veterans water skiing off the back with those packards wide open !
Miatacrosser (3 months ago)
While I personally like the design of the Elco boats, this is one nice looking Higgins. Heavily armed too.
Kamikaze Yamamoto (4 months ago)
Awesome cool! I would rather own one of these than any multi-million dollar superyacht.
ut000bs (5 months ago)
A serious thank you to all the people involved in restoring and operating this awesome piece of history. A job well done!
Reese Issel (5 months ago)
Yep, my Potomac Cruiser. There are a few more that have very little water time in a marina.
jprince massey (5 months ago)
they had loads of bhp back then when they was used and very powerful at the time as well for a pt boat. hyper cars using around 5000bhp now so when i look back they war ships has equivlernt to ahyper boast back then or areo engined boat whe they was made still cool to this day
cal30m1 (5 months ago)
Does anyone know where this “cruise” took place? (I have tried to scan to see where this location is without luck.)
Lew Waters (5 months ago)
It wasn't a "cruise." The guys brought the boat across the Columbia River to the north side at Vancouver, Washington for display and took it out for a short run.
Ted Wagner (6 months ago)
You are on a WWII PT boat, why in the holy hell do you have an umbrella?
Lew Waters (6 months ago)
It was raining ;-)
bacbari boscru (6 months ago)
do the libs know you're operating a boat with people on deck and no guard rails???? nice job to all who had a hand in restoring this craft to it's deserved heritage
Larry Graham (21 days ago)
Yes us liberals are dying to know if guard rails would have kept another of your hated liberals JFk's boat from being cut in half by a Jap destroyer. I always enjoy Repubs that have nothing positive to say about anybody but themselves and their archaic philsophy. Can't understand why the nation is polarized. Let's blame Kennedy, LBJ or even Roosevelt and Truman, after all only Repubs like Watergate NIxon, Iran/Contra affair Reagan/Bush and no WMD Bush Jr. know it all. They are the ones that have made this country great!
Glenn Riviere (6 months ago)
You wrong WW2 Museum has one now.
88Dessert (8 months ago)
4500 HP 3 X 1500 Packard
Lew Waters (8 months ago)
Video of the engine room https://youtu.be/4sx_AxoK7Cc
Avinash Limaye (8 months ago)
Very verstile carrier. it could take all the turns though oversize length of boat on top of it, through shops. Very Good.
Albert Von Schultz (9 months ago)
My dad was on PT boats and SC's during World War II. He entered service in 39
Aussie steve. (9 months ago)
Let’s play army’s lmao
J. Williams (9 months ago)
What the heck, a boat pole to push the boat away from the dock? Come on its a twin screw boat, proper boat handling and you wouldn't need a boat pole. That's what mooring lines and throttles are for.
soaringtractor (7 months ago)
j williams it is a three screw boat and yes they had handling problems !!!
Rise and Shine (1 year ago)
Must be expensive as hell to run
Distance Shooter (1 year ago)
So this PT sounds like it still has the original Packard`s.
soaringtractor (9 months ago)
Distance shooter DUUUUUUHHHHHHH !!!!!! It does have 3 of the Original Packard M2500 engines !!! DUUUUHH!!!!!!
Distance Shooter (1 year ago)
Thank you
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
It does, all 3 of them restored and rebuilt. As I understand it, from reading the history of the project and talking with the guys, when the hull was recovered it had been converted to diesels, but they located and replaced those with original Packard engines. I was able to walk through the engine compartment and they were like new
Hal Heywood (1 year ago)
really cool job well done
Hal Heywood (1 year ago)
there's 305 in New Orleans now also there's one somewhere in So cal
Larry Vest (1 year ago)
In the mid 60's in Pearl they used them for air target practice.
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
It's a shame so many were destroyed after the war. But I am pleased to see now we have two fully restored and operational again.
skipperup (1 year ago)
Ya know what would of made this video awesome? First, remove the umbrella from the one ditz! And if everyone could of been in the same era uniform, you know...look like a team!
Lyn 123 (1 year ago)
I totally understand how hard it was to rebuild the PT, but honestly, If they did not run it to its potential...what good was it?
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
So sorry they did not reach out to you for direction 6 years ago when I took this. If I see them again, I'll be sure to tell them they need your input first
Lyn 123 (1 year ago)
So DUH...take it out of the city....DA
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
They have to take it out of the city it has a NO WAKE ZONE !!! do you know what that is ????? DUUUUHH!!!!
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
Just because they didn't run it to it's potential in this short run doesn't mean they never do.
Wayne Novotny (1 year ago)
PT 658 says it's the "only one", the PT 305 says it's the "only one" ... which is it???
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
This video and the sign are from 2011, years before PT 305 was restored. I did place a footnote in the beginning of the video that with the pending launch of PT 305, it is no longer the only one. PT 305 bills itself as "the world’s only fully restored combat-veteran PT boat in operation today," emphasis on "combat" as PT 658 did not see combat operations since it was finished too late in the war.
miksal26 (1 year ago)
What an absolute work of dedication. To think that a wooden vessel would be restored 75 years after is quite amazing. Also, I am very impressed with the image stabiliser within your camera. Best wishes.
rick66649 (1 year ago)
wow ..like to see her on full chat...
soaringtractor (6 months ago)
rick66649 you talk like a fukin Limey !!!!
rick66649 (1 year ago)
your comment made me laugh ..what makes you think i'm English
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
"full Chat" WTF is that ??? You men full throttle, wide open...LIMEY dumb ass !!!!
WORRO01 (1 year ago)
She's a looker! Nice job.
47 hammer (1 year ago)
Not much of a Run ;; Expected more ;
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
NOTE: Comments complaining about the speed of the boat will be removed. I am tired of saying they are in a no wake zone
K C (29 days ago)
Easy Lew, don't let the whiners and turkeys get the best of you.
Robert Haag (1 year ago)
This boat was way ahead of its time this is needed in persian gulf.
Joe Schlotthauer (1 year ago)
I had no idea they were that big.
soaringtractor (6 months ago)
joe how big did you think 78 and 80 feet were ????
Derek Suddreth (1 year ago)
Yes, it's raining... but an umbrella on deck? And how about the forward line handler just hand reeling the line and throwing it on the deck? Obviously not a real sailor! The midships line was coiled as it should be.
Mark Bowles (1 year ago)
thank you very much Lew Waters... Thumbs up
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
You're welcome, Mark
Robert Horrell (1 year ago)
A bunch of old guys afraid to drop the hammer.
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
Why don't you go find yourself a deteriorated PT Boat, spend 15 to 20 years completely restoring it bearing hundred of thousands of dollars in expenses then take it out and show them how it is done. OH, and you can bear the fine for exceeding the allowable speed limit in that section of the river.
Ralph B. (1 year ago)
What image stabilization software did you use. It worked great.
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
You Tube image stabilization
Jack Belk (1 year ago)
Retirement spent right. Congratulations guys.
LarryH54 (1 year ago)
Next time take her outside the harbor so you can wind her up
LDN Wholesale (1 year ago)
Would love to see it up on the plane and the engines roaring. Also is it me, I thought all PT boats were grey?
Michael Garrett (1 year ago)
Well all this is fine and dandy,, but since I could not find one,, I built my own  elco,,  PT boat its out in,,   estancia new mexico  rotting away it weighs 12 tons53 foot long  powered by a  653 Detroit diesel its # is the  PT 901  and its on a trailer about a1/4 mile east of the new court houseon hi way 55  my name is mike Garrett I built it all by my self started in 2001  finished in 2003 was never allowed to put in the lake thanks to governor Richardson the[[   bastard]]  drained elephant butte lake  my email is   [email protected]     for pics
Lars Jönlid (1 year ago)
Nice PT "overhaul" !!
Gregor Miller (1 year ago)
McHales Navy would be proud.
Paul Glock (13 days ago)
Wait, was that the Howells on deck with the beach umbrella?
soaringtractor (6 months ago)
J williams....Only if that particular boat had an engine swap !!!ALL original built Elco and Higgins PT Boats used the M2500 Packard gas engines !!!
J. Williams (9 months ago)
If I remember right Mchale had an Elco boat with Gray Marine Diesels.... I could be wrong not an expert on the subject.
Dun Truckin (1 year ago)
Gregor Miller McHale wouldn't have been happy until he stoked it up enough for ensign Parker to water ski behind it !!
bhhardgr01 (1 year ago)
I really wanted to see all 3 engines powered up.....But I understand why not...
mchume65 (1 year ago)
So as far as I can tell, this one is a Higgins, as opposed to an Elco type.
Lew Waters (1 year ago)
Yes, it is a Higgins: http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/history.htm
Kevin Pepin (1 year ago)
That is awesome !
ThatDutchguy (1 year ago)
New Orleans has one too.
jwillwon (1 year ago)
https://www.glen-l.com/weblettr/webletters-11/wl86-pt728.html JUST LOVE THESE BOATS !
jwillwon (1 year ago)
http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2012/06/update-pt-728-world-war-ii-patrol-torpedo-boat-bound-for-new-home-in-port-clinton-ohio/ ....AND WHEN I WAS IN KEY WEST THEY WERE SELLING RIDES ON A PT BOAT IN 2003
roadking99 jokerst (1 year ago)
jwillwon Right. Wife and I were on a schooner, sunset sail trip. Along comes a familiar sound and there's a PT boat going by.FUN.Maybe 2007.
jwillwon (1 year ago)
ONLY 12 MAN CREW AND CAN OUTRUN AND SINK MOST ANY MULTIMILLION OR BILLION DOLLAR SHIP !
jwillwon (1 year ago)
MIGHT BE FUN TO FIND THOSE ENGINES AT THE BOTTOM AND RESTORE THEM ! IF I WAS IN CHARGE OF THE PHILIPPINE NAVY, I WOULD BUILD AND OPERATE PT BOATS TO PROTECT THEIR WATERS !
soaringtractor (7 months ago)
jwillwon Where you going to get the parts for those engines ????? HHHHHUUUUUU?????
jwillwon (1 year ago)
DO YOU THINK THE BURNING OF 121 PT's IN THE PHILIPPINES STILL HAD THE ENGINES IN THEM? http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=2439&pg=20&sc=20&x=0
Captain Robert April (1 year ago)
Thank God for image stabilization.
Rob Bateman (2 years ago)
The 305 is is coming out of the Kushner Restoration Pavilion at the National World War II Museum in New Orleans very soon. From there, "Sudden Jerk" will begin her journey back to sea for the second time in 73 years. All of us on the 305 crew have nothing but admiration for the outstanding work done by the 658 volunteers.
Jerry Gilmartin (2 years ago)
Lew, Until such time as the 305 is floating, the claim of the "Only operational boat" is valid. The guys in New Orleans are trying to get their boat to be where we have been since 2004. I think the 658 boat deserves a little respect.
Charles Ricord (1 year ago)
Lew Waters I seen the 305 heading down the mississippi river yesterday, i believe she is completed. it was on a barge headed to lake charles,la
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
Jerry, I have nothing but the utmost respect for PT 658. The addition of my comment in the video was only to acknowledge there is another one pending launch
Betty Brooks (2 years ago)
i saw one on the passaic river (close to the hudson) in about '74.
Flxdcat Bruce (2 years ago)
Awesome boats, you would have to be very brave to man those guns without steel protection plates, but then they did have enough speed to be a tough target to hit.
DaebakMonkey (2 years ago)
I saw PT 658 and the guys who restored it in Portland a month ago.
DeathValleyCustoms (2 years ago)
My Grandfather was on boat 558.
NCLUSA (2 years ago)
Looking at some of these comments I can see how our public education system has failed big time. I think they should teach history in Schools?. Does it have sails so if the engine stops working?,,,,sorry I had to ask ( :
MrTG44 (4 months ago)
Top secret info. NCLUSA. Need to know basis. If I tell ya, I have to kill ya. LOL
Hubert Harned (2 years ago)
you need to drydock it. sounds like shit.
MrJubbey (2 years ago)
Yea, I've seen pictures of Lew Costello's boat in the early '50's that was a converted PT boat. He used to make runs to Catalina Island in it ..........
MrJubbey (2 years ago)
Just doesn't have the sound of the original Packard engines ......
soaringtractor (6 months ago)
Mr Jubbey NOPE !!!It has original Packard M2500 V12 supercharged gas engines in it, as originally built !!!!
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
What does a original Packard sound like ???? HUUUHHH????
Jerry Gilmartin (2 years ago)
Mr Jubbey, You are mixing up the two manufacturers. Elco has exhaust mufflers out the stern and Higgins (which this one is) has mufflers in their original position on the sides. The mufflers contain an internal butterfly to redirect it under water, but those have been removed to maximize the engine sounds. The engines are indeed 3 operating original 5M-2500 Packard V12 engines. They sound like that when they are idling at 700 rpm at the dockside after starting.
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
If memory serves me, after talking with them, it was converted to diesels after the war and made into more of a private yacht. But when the guys got it and began the restoration, they replaced the engines with restored Packards. https://youtu.be/4sx_AxoK7Cc
MrJubbey (2 years ago)
I assumed since the exhaust was ported out the sides, instead of the rear as in the original position, the Packard engines had been replaced with something more modern.
Rob Quartermain (2 years ago)
How lame does it go over 5 MPH
CastAway_Dave (2 years ago)
It is called a NO WAKE ZONE, DUMBASS!
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
Do you want to pay for the fuel and the fine for exceeding the speed allowed in that section of the river?
michael maxwell (2 years ago)
I was just there last month, on my Jimi Hendrix pilgrimage! It was in the boathouse but I still got the guided tour, bought a dvd & donated $50!
Marissa Dean (2 years ago)
If only they had a target to sink!!!, would love to see her do what she was made to do, that would make the restoration complete in my book!.
WWIIDDSS (2 years ago)
What software did you use to stabilize the video images? Amazing job!
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
If you do, search around a little under edits and play with it some. YouTube offers some very nice enhancement features.
WWIIDDSS (2 years ago)
Never uploaded a video before so I didn't know that.
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
Standard Youtube
Don Stover (2 years ago)
Visiting this magnificent boat was a 'goose bump' experience. The detail and accuracy with which these dedicated volunteers have restores this piece of history, is remarkable. Visit their website and read the history them view the video. You won't be disappointed. Better yet visit this awesome boat on your next trip to the west coast.
DesertDigger1 (2 years ago)
Does anyone really know what "P.T." means?
soaringtractor (9 months ago)
DesertDigger DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH !!!! PT=Patrol, Torpedo !!! DUUUH!!!!
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
Patrol, torpedo !!! DUUUUHHH !!!!!!
soaringtractor (2 years ago)
PATROL TORPEDO !!! DUUUUHHH !!!!!
Coskun Toktamis (2 years ago)
YES.
soaringtractor (2 years ago)
+MrNotebookguy Because dumb ass it was assigned as Patrol torpedo !!! DUUUHH!!!!
Rick Mayo (2 years ago)
Does anyone know what the status of PT 658 is today (6/2016)?
tzeidel p (2 years ago)
PT 658 is running well as of 11 1 16. Sorry someone didnt respond sooner.
Jack Wayne (2 years ago)
I thought they were going to throttle her up a bit, but instead idled around in a circle back to pier.
ut000bs (5 months ago)
I believe they only had 1 of 3 engines in working order at that time so power was limited. Also, they're almost certainly in a no-wake zone if you understand.
James OGrady (5 months ago)
Me too. Damn thing should have been seen and heard at full speed ahead.
Chris Parlow (6 months ago)
ScottDLR -- sir he's pulling your leg ? Get it.
Chris Parlow (6 months ago)
Jack Wayne --- sir their are no more Emg's like this any where. So the guys are being careful with her. Yea I know it suck's
ScottDLR (8 months ago)
Nonsense. Even a couple of big Packards don't burn that much in such a short time.
RalphJ. Cuevas (2 years ago)
Thank You, for the restortion of this old Gal. "HISTORY PRESERVED" !!!
bornbillsmith (2 years ago)
Not very fast.
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
+bornbillsmith There is a speed restriction along that area of the river
Brendon Johnson (2 years ago)
That's so flippin cool! anybody remember that old game PT 109 in the 90's? I played it for days.
Dan Marelli (2 years ago)
The PT boats were powered by Packard designed and built marine engines, not copies of Rolls Royce engines. They did not use the Merlin engine, which was an aircraft engine. The Merlin was a feat in itself as Packard had to take a hand-built engine and create the tooling to turn it into a machine-built engine.
soaringtractor (9 months ago)
Zac vaper WRONG !!!! It was not !!! The Liberty aircraft engine was an air cooled 1650 cu in disp engine !!! The M2500 was.....2500 Cu Inch disp and liquid cooled !!! Jesse Vincent of Packard drew on the design element from his A2500 aircraft engine for the M2500 !!! Where the hell do you people get all this BULLSHIT info ?????HUUUHHH??????
helstontvx (9 months ago)
are you Donald Trump?
soaringtractor (6 months ago)
WRONG !!!! The M for Marine was a purpose designed marine engine !!! It never powered a plane !! !It was developed from Jesses Vincents experience with the A2500 but it was not the same engine !!! The M2500 never powered a plane !!!! Jesse Vincent was working on an aircraft version but it was shelved to concentrate on the Merlin !!! See the Book "Packard as an Aero engine Builder, by Robert J Neal it is discussed in that book !!! The M2500 weighed in at 2900# too heavy for aircraft use !!! It had some aircraft features, aluminum const DOHC 4 valve supercharged engine !!!!
Edwin Flood (1 year ago)
soaringtractor me
Wamgo C (1 year ago)
soaringtractor right, but both were originally aircraft engines. Both were superb but the Merlin manufacturing effort was an order of magnitude more impressive.
Handsome Whis (2 years ago)
awesome, now if only the Japanese Fubiki was still here
vutEwa (2 years ago)
anyone know why they made PT boats out of wood instead of steel?
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
Steel was in short supply and also wood would not set off a magnetic mine !!!
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
WRONG !!!! 2 layers of 1 " thick mahogany PLANKS and a layer of canvas !!!!
Richard Stanley (1 year ago)
two layers of 3/8" mahogany not the modern crap that Home Depot calls plywood.
so they dont take up steel which theres was a shortage of. that why they made wood parts on cars later in the 40s cuz much of it was made to weapons for the war they also made sinks of copper also because you cant make guns out of copper
Rick Mayo (2 years ago)
A) Steel was at a premium, and B) PT's were made to be more or less disposable, as the Navy had no interest in maintaining wooden boats after the war.
Roger Blackwell (2 years ago)
what a beast and wooden too. How didn't guys go over the side?
fdrww2 (2 years ago)
+Roger Blackwell The crewmen were either at their stations or below decks...there was little traipsing around on the upper deck area unless they were in the central area. The only people topside were the Skipper, the Exec, two sailors manning the two 50 caliber machine guns, one manning the 20mm (if equipped) and two torpedomen on early war versions. Later war boats had additional 20 mm or heavier crew served weapons, depending on the mission to which they were assigned.
NaYawkr (2 years ago)
Pretty Pokey and slow, not at all like a WW2 PT Boat.   Maybe they need a few Big Evinrudes strapped on the back to make it go, this video is just embarrassing.
supamaxx01 (2 years ago)
+NaYawkr Most rivers have speed limits and no-one wanted to pay the fine. Be nice to see one tailgate a skiboat though.
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
+NaYawkr Bear in mind too, I taped this back in 2011 when gas prices were much higher. Also, if I'm not mistaken, there are speed and wake restrictions through that section of the Columbia River.
fdrww2 (2 years ago)
+NaYawkr They were capable of high speeds, the operators are not willing to go to the expense or liability of opening up the 3 supercharged Packards just to please you....
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
+NaYawkr if you are willing to step up and pay for the high octane aviation fuel they use, burn about 100 gallons an hour, I'm sure they might be more willing to throttle it up for you.
liar liarliar (2 years ago)
This is a copy of a British design. I know the original Brit version used three Rolls Royce merlin engines and carried ten tons of petrol!!
soaringtractor (2 months ago)
Liar liar WRONG !!! The ELCO is a copy of the British design.....Higgins designed his own version !!!!
soaringtractor (9 months ago)
Lew waters.....WRONG !!! WRONG !!!! WRONG!!!!! Those M2500 PACKARD engines had NOTHING to do with the Merlin engine !!! Packard was delivering these engines to the US Navy 3 years BEFORE the Brits showed up on their BEGGING mission to get Packard to build the merlin. FYI Merlin is 1650 Cu In disp Packard is ....2500 !!!! DUUUHH!!!! Packard is 50% larger !!! Do the fucking research and QUIT spreading your BULLSHIT across You Tube !! !Look up the You Tube video "MEN BET THEIR LIVES ON THEM" the story of war time Packard involvement and learn !!!! Yes Packard did build BOTH engines but they were totally unrelated !!!!
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
Peter Bloink !!! WRONG !!! WRONG !!! WRONG !!!! The Packard M2500 PT Boat engine had NOTHING to do with the merlin engine !!! M2500 was duhh!! 2500 cu in displacement, merlin was but 1650 !!! How the hell could they be the same engine ????? HUUUHH???? Packard was delivering the M2500 to the US Navy and Brits 2 to 3 years BEFORE the Brits showed up to have Packard build the Merlin. First Packard merlin ran in Aug of 1941 and the navy had the M2500 in 1938 !!! Packard did build BOTH engines...14,000 of the M2500 and 55,325 Merlins of which the Brits got 37,137 of the Packard merlins !!! See the video here on you tube "Men bet their lives on them" and learn, a war time film on Packard !!! WHY assume because Packard built both engines they were the same ???? DUMB ASS !!!
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
Lew Waters WRONG !!! WRONG !!! WRONG !!!! These Packard M2500 engines had NOTHING to do with the Merlin engine !!! Packard was delivering these engines to the US Navy and the British 2 to 3 years BEFORE RR showed up at Packard to have Packard Build the Merlin !!! The clue is the Packards are 2500 cu in disp where the Merlin was ONLY 1650 cu in. The Packard , because it was a marine engine weighed in at 2900 # twice what the Merlin weighed !!! So how could these be Merlins ??? Packard did build BOTH engines but Packard ran the first Merlin in Aug of 1941 I would strongly suggest you look up here on You Tube the video "Men bet their lives on them " it explains the engines Packard built !!! It is really stupid of you to "assume" the engines were the same without doing the research !!! Also Google Packard PT boat engine and learn !!!!
soaringtractor (1 year ago)
RR referes to the PACKARD V1650 as a VARIANT , or different, version of the Merlin !!! Many changes made for mass production, and improvements !! They were called the Packard V1650 Merlin !!!!
planetcheck (2 years ago)
What happened to the PT 73? That is the only real PT boat in America.
Jerry Gilmartin (2 years ago)
Strangely enough, the actual WW2  PT73 was a 78 foot Higgins Boat just like this PT658 and was assigned to Squadron (RON) 13 which served up in the Aleutian Islands and later in the Pacific. It was present during the Phillipine and Borneo campaigns.  The McHales Navy PT73 which you are referring to was actually a 63 foot Vosper Design never used by the USN.
ToyKingWonder (2 years ago)
+planetcheck What I read from multiple sources it was a Vosper Motor Torpedo Boat, which was made in the US from a British design, actually intended for the Russians! The war ended, so it did not see service, it was eventually used by Howard Hughes as an emergency boat in the Long Beach Harbor around the days of the Spruce Goose. There were a few other owners, before it was used in McHales Navy. They added fake machine guns and other items, but you can see from the Howard Hughes picture of the boat (just google it) the cabin looks the same. The interiors of the ship which occasionally were shown were done in studio. Eventually it went back to private ownership, and then sadly got pushed onto the beach near Santa Barbara during a storm and was wrecked.
planetcheck (2 years ago)
+belknapdlg26 Maybe so. But it is the most famous and beloved  PT boat in America.
belknapdlg26 (2 years ago)
+planetcheck : it never was a PT boat, but were actually ArmyAirForce sea rescue boats that where rebuilt by Universal Studios from the main deck up to resemble a true PT boat. sorry to deflate your enthusiasm.
Splashy Bacon (2 years ago)
Why do you need more power for different wars? If 1650 horsepower was good enough for WW11 era fighting, what bigger behemoths do we have for a war now? Weren't there still battleships to take down in WWII
trucking604 (2 years ago)
Higgins boat? Judging by the side exhaust. From what I understand the Elco's had the transom mounted exhaust.
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
+fdrww2 Definitely a Higgins. There is a placard below that identifies it as such I also got a photo of.
fdrww2 (2 years ago)
+trucking604 This is a HIggins, the Elco has a slightly different profile and the transom exhausts....
LegitGrantham20 (2 years ago)
Would be interesting to see them both together
LegitGrantham20 (2 years ago)
I say when pt-305 is completed they meet up with 658 and race lol
Bluenose352 (2 years ago)
+LegitGaming117 I saw their kickstarter post and their Launch PT305 video. It looks ready.
LegitGrantham20 (2 years ago)
i think 305 is going to be completed in june or july.
Bluenose352 (2 years ago)
How far along is 305?
Wilkotheminer (2 years ago)
Not the only operational PT boat, there is a fully operational one in Victoria that is privately owned. Has its three original merlin engines also. I have seen it in Sydney harbour twice over the years. Sydney is around 1000 kilometres from where it is usually docked  which shows the owners not afraid to use it.
soaringtractor (2 years ago)
Somebody else knows the truth !! Congrats !!! You are 100% correct !!
soaringtractor (2 years ago)
IF...It truely has the Merlin engines it is NOT a US Navy PT Boat !!! NONE used the Merlin engine !!!US PT Boats used the Packard designed and built M2500 engine that has NOTHING to do with a Merlin !!! M2500 was in production over two years BEFORE RR Showed up at Packard to have Packard build the Merlin !! Packard built both engines, 14,000 M2500 and 55,325 V1650 Merlins !!! Do you not think more that a Limey Brit could design and build a V12 engine ???? Arrogant bastards !!!
trucking604 (2 years ago)
+Wilkotheminer People mistakenly think those PT engines were RR Merlins, but they weren't. The PT engines were 4M-2500 Packard engines, they had 2500 cid. The RR Merlin engine had 1650 CID. Also, the PT engines weighed 3000lbs apiece, they would have been way to big and heavy for a WWII era fighter plane. Most WWII fighters total weight was under 10,000lbs. The P51 Mustang's empty weight was only around 7600lbs and it's fully loaded weight was only 9200lbs.
Lew Waters (2 years ago)
+Wilkotheminer I'd like to see images or video of it. Off topic, but I R&R'd in Sydney in 1970, loved it there.
Maxim Gun (3 years ago)
Can anyone tell me how they launched those torpedoes off of the PT?
ToyKingWonder (2 years ago)
+wanmohd danial If you keep looking, there is a video on here where they have a cutaway of the torpedo, the model that Jay mentioned. They did literally roll off! It was weird, it had a little motor that you turned on, there was an explosive up front, you got the propeller spinning and it went off the side with a lever. It was really cool for what it was. I think it would be awesome to have one without the explosive, have an RC controller and drive it around a lake!
Maxim Gun (3 years ago)
+Jay Friberg thanks man
Jay Friberg (3 years ago)
+wanmohd danial At first they were shot out of a tube. Later in the war Mark 13 aerial torpedos were used. They just rolled them off the boat.
murrayJoe (3 years ago)
If you mean operational by having original equipment on it maybe, but there a some PT boats built during the war being operated by private owners, there is one that is down in Sale, Victoria, Australia. I have hear it often shares it;s time between the ports of Sale Bairnsdale and I was told it spends part of the year up in the top end of Australia at Darwin, Northern Territory, Aust. He apparently has a fake gun up on the front of it, it doesn't have any tubes or other armament and I'm sure it wouldn't have original engines, but it is a WW2 PT boat and it is in use as a private boat, Its painted a grey colour and the number on the side is PT 060. I tried to find out about the boat but have looked to deep yet, I have some photos and I will put them up on Flickr later on.
Lew Waters (3 years ago)
+muzzavideos Yes, it was restored to original configuration. I can't find anything on the boat you mention, but will keep looking. Thanks for the tip.
Douglas Street (3 years ago)
GOD loves the "Devil Boats", job well done gentlemen. We are VERY proud of you.
Bruce Blake (1 year ago)
What is "GOD" ?  [Aussie in BC]
James Johnson (3 years ago)
100 octane fuel as i recall basically aircraft gas and shed run through abot a hundred gallons in a few hours. 6-8 55 gallon drums on them or the metal square paint cans for reserve.from footage in the georgia islands south pacific . Crazy expensive but still kick ass.
Will Cline (14 days ago)
During WW 2 Allies (US sourced) avgas was way above 100 octane at times as high as 150 octane but almost always at or above 110 octane. That was one of the reasons the Allies could run boost levels through the roof compared to the ME 109 etc of the German planes that often ran on 90 octane. I am not sure the exact octane that the PT boats used but I would guess it was higher than 100 just for simplicity. Add in the fact that the Allies (mostly Britain) controlled the world's supply of nickle and the Allied engines had far superior steel in critical components compared to the German aviation engines. Both the Germans and the Allies used various injection systems using water, or Nitrous Oxide and that allowed higher levels of boost for short (5 min) durations of higher hp in aviation applications before having to back off for a minute or two. I think the Packard marine engine was supercharged but did not need multi-staged superchargers being run at sea level. I do not believe any PT boats utilized a water injector or similar boost enhancing feature.
916fanatic1 (3 years ago)
+James Johnson They eat way more gas than that. Each engine is 2500 cubic inches and supercharged and it has 3 engines.
von Holdinghausen (3 years ago)
Very nice :) Highly interesting boats the PT. Gotta love em. Anyone interested in these kind of boats might also wanna watch these two: T26 and T56. The latter was built in the 50s but T26 in 1942. Both are since long not in service ofc. Still fast though ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqCzD38zX0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlOYG-_Hly4 Cheers!

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